From the Easy Chair

Political Correctness

Professor: Dr. R.J. Rushdoony

Subject: Conversations, Panels and Sermons

Lesson: 108-214

Genre: Speech

Track:

Dictation Name: RR161CD150

Year: 1980s and 1990s

Dr. R. J. Rushdoony, RR161CD150, Political Correctness, from the Easy Chair, excellent colloquies on various subjects.

[ Rushdoony ] This is R. J. Rushdoony, Easy Chair number 260, February the fifth, 1992.

Otto Scott, Douglas Murray and I are now going to discuss PC, political correctness.

Now this can mean a great many things. I think by way of background let me say this. There is a sense in which political correctness is legitimate or the requirement that someone told a lie and on a particular perspective. I believe, for example, that a Catholic or a Protestant college or school has the right to say to all those who work for it, “You have an obligation here to affirm those things which our particular church maintains.” I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, the University of California shortly after World War II with {?} Knight as governor at the time demanded a loyalty oath of all faculty members. A number of them.... well, not too many, a half a dozen or so, refused. And it became a national issue.

Ironically, not all of those were radicals. In fact, the radicals mostly kept their mouth shut and were ready to lie about their loyalty as everything else.

One of the men who refused to sign was a professor of mine who was very conservative and suddenly became a hero of the left for his refusal to sign because he felt that it represented a statist interference into the academic community.

I told him and he was not happy with my argument that it was a state institution. And the state had a right to demand elementary loyalty to the American system. It was not asking you to be a Republican or a Democrat or anything hard and fast. It simply said you could not be dedicated to the overthrow of the United States and the substitution of a Marxist system.

So within limits I think we can begin, I hope with common consent by conceding that institutions have a right and even a duty to require an elementary loyalty.

But what political correctness or PC has become is an instrument on the part of the left which now commands most of our institutions of higher learning to silence anyone who is conservative or to bar them from the faculty. And it has become a very ugly instrument of that sort. A man who is a Christian has very little chance of getting a job now, especially if he is orthodox. One very brilliant scholar I know was ... had to drop out of the doctoral program at an English university because his dissertation had to do with the influence of Christianity on culture. And they were insistent that a superstition cannot influence a culture. So he either had to drop out or be flunked out and he dropped out.

Just three days ago, Sunday, Howard Philips was telling me that—and I was aware of this situation—a brilliant young man who was about to get his doctorate. He was the top man in the history department at this particular school in the East, but when they found out he was a Christian they kicked him out. So this is what PC or political correctness is about.

[ Scott ] Our friend Dr. Dwight Murphy in the Midwestern College just led campaign against political correctness which was proposed by the faculty. And he managed to have it suppressed by a majority of seven. It was a tough fight. Now, as you know, the application is not ... it is not only applied to the faculty, but also to the students.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] And the students are then... if they are convicted of having said something that might be considered sexist or racist and these are very elastic characterizations, are then put into remedial classes where they are indoctrinated in correct attitude.

[ Murray ] That is what the Chinese Communists do.

[ Scott ] That is what the Chinese Communists did. That is what all the Communist countries did. They ... they ... they insisted upon an open confession. They insisted upon an open apology and then they had re education courses. Vietnam has re education camps and China still has and I am sure Cuba still has if there is anybody brave enough to need re education.

This, of course, is totalitarian. And the lesson that is being taught in the colleges is that you do not have free speech. Now that is a very bad lesson to teach Americans. You get ahead. You get along by going along and you lose by speaking up.

[ Murray ] Well, my definition of political correctness is intellectual terrorism.

[ Rushdoony ] Very good.

[ Murray ] It is a... it is a ... an insidious coercion that we see all around us. And ... but I think there is a positive side to it. you cannot have that kind of contained frustration kicking people out of universities and denying them credentials in their particular discipline. And I think it gives rise to the possibility of a rebirth of Christian universities, or Christian based schools.

[ Rushdoony ] This is exactly what we need. If someone would provide us with the funding, we would get to work on it.

One of the very, very powerful books of the 80s was by someone who after, I believe, 22 years, was finally released from one of Castro’s prisons, {?}, I believe was his name and the title of the book Beyond All Hope. And the point he made there he had been arrested for a very harmless remark which had only one fault. It displayed an independent mind.

And the goal of the tortures that he and others were subjected to was to break every one of them into agreeing with the party line, into singing the praises of Castro, into talking of the glories of the new Cuba. They knew that all this was hypocrisy. But no one in the prisons who went along with their classes and joined them had an element of honesty. They were just trying to get out of the endless torture. And what the author said was—and he resisted to the last—they knew that by getting them to agree to the political correctness program, they were being turned into moral zeros. The goal of it was to make moral zeros of all the prisoners. Then men who were moral zeros could be turned loose and would no longer be a problem, no longer a threat to society.

And I believe that the universities today are dedicated with all the passion of their being to turning people into moral zeros so that our students are at risk in these universities.

I regularly get calls from people asking: Where can I send my son? And probably you have heard Dr. Ellsworth Mc Intire explain his own experiences, going to two schools, ostensibly thoroughly reformed and safe for the children. And he said in one he walked in and the lobby there was a couple virtually copulating on the davenport. And he saw every evidence of moral looseness. At the other they told him proudly that the girls and boys had to leave one another’s bedrooms at 2 AM.

So it was obvious there wasn’t a fit school that he could find anywhere. And I don’t know of any. So I tell parents, “Send them to the school close by where your children can stay at home and you can control their lives while they are at the university.”

[ Scott ] That is a very interesting point that pornography is shown in films and they have sex education classes that the dormitories are integrated both sexually and racially, but yet these people claim to have such tender sensibilities that they are deeply offended if anyone points out the differences between the races and the cultures.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] Now when I was a boy I was taught that, of course, that all races and cultures had rights and certain similarities. But I was also taught that to know the differences was crucial, absolutely very important to know the differences, because otherwise you wouldn’t be able to get along. You wouldn’t understand the world. And here students are degraded for saying that there is a difference between men and women. The most elemental of all differences mandated by God.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Murray ] That is a... I was always impressed by the ... the contrast back in the 60s that was at stake when they inaugurated these black study programs to the exclusion of, essentially white studies or western civilization to the total exclusion.

[ Scott ] There is a... an anthropologist, a social anthropologist named Edward T. Hall who has written some books on cultural matters. The latest that I read was entitled Beyond Culture and I wouldn’t say that it was a book I totally agreed with. Certainly I didn’t agree with all his conclusions, but I did ... it did... I was interested in some of the cases and experiments that they... he and his colleagues conducted.

For instance, they video taped people in conversation, both men and women, in conversation with one another without the sound. And also blacks talking to one another and whites talking to one another. And they found that there was a correlation to body movement. There are certain postures and attitudes and body movements which the people engaged in, hand and arms and legs and feet and switching from foot to foot and so forth.

He said, “Almost like rudimentary dances.” If you speeded the film up, it would look like a dance. And he said there was a discernible and marked difference between black groups talking to one another and white groups talking to one another and then black and white talking to one another in which you would see the dissimilar body movements.

Now I don’t know whether thy have shot him yet or not, because the book was printed in the 70s. Maybe he is retired and he is safe, but I am sure that if he was on a faculty today he would be dismissed.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes. Well, at the end of the Middle Ages, the university’s stature was so shattered by its stupidities that it took centuries for the university to recover. And I think we may possibly be facing a serious, similar problem. Far more of the innovative thinking is coming out of industrial laboratories, out of independent men. The federal government has done a disservice to the future in that its tax plan has hurt industrial research and development. But this is still the most fertile area of new thinking and new development in the scientific field, in the industrial field.

Similarly a great deal of the thinking that is most telling when compared to the future is no longer from within the university circles.

[ Scott ] Well, unfortunately, the press takes its cue from the universities.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] No the press is politically correct.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] We see it on television and we hear it and we see it in all the publications. They all take a politically correct attitude on the issues of the day. The ... even the newsletters, even this so-called independent newsletters are politically correct. They are very careful about what they report, what they comment on and what they say.

I have never believed I would see such conformity in this country. I am sure that it is ... it is only skin deep, because it breaks out ever so often in eruptions here and there. But, nevertheless, officially we have now turned into a one issue country where every issue has only one side. On the abortion issue I have never expect to hear anyone attacking abortion on television or on the stage or in the theater or in lecture halls.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, in the economic newsletter realm, if anyone speaks too freely they will very often be subjected to a tax investigation. It becomes so costly that they have to be careful how they write. So there is a censorship of sorts. The multitude of little presses springing up from coast to coast is startling. And these presses are bringing out things that heretofore were not in the public forum precisely because they are totally outside the intellectual establishment. The intellectual establishment represents what in the late Middle Ages was called the reign of the dunces. And we again have the reign of the dunces in our media and among our intelligentsia.

[ Scott ] That is very interesting. I wonder how far it will go. I am afraid it will lead to some terrible things, because it is almost like comparing it to an argument between individuals. When one falls silent the air changes, because silence long continued is a sign of physical problems to come. To outlaw certain views or to outlaw criticism is to create a very dangerous civil... situation. I don't think it is good. I don’t think it is healthy. I would rather hear people complain than to see them totally silent.

[ Murray ] Well, I think it is interesting here recently that the Green party has qualified to get on the ballot in California, but David Duke cannot, because he doesn’t qualify for matching funds. You know, what difference should matching funds make as far as...

[ Scott ] To the ballot.

[ Murray ] Yeah. As far as getting on the ballot.

[ Scott ] Two separate things.

[ Murray ] I would think that they want... if they are going to allow one diverse point of view, then they should also allow a balancing diverse point of view to relieve the frustration. If they keep it strictly on one end, then it is going to build up frustration on the other end.

[ Scott ] Well kit reminds me of a short story by Ludwig Bemelmans, remember him? He...

[ Rushdoony ] Oh, yes.

[ Scott ] He was an excellent writer. Ludwig Bemelmans wrote a little story about spring in a totalitarian country. Of course, the dictator announced that it had arrived. It was the first of May. So immediately the flowers all burst into bloom. The grass turned green. The birds began to sing excepting over the house of the enemy of the state where it was still snowing. And the whole thing went on in that area... had in the street cars they... they had one first, second and third class street car. Then they had a special car at the end for the enemy of the state that had no floor in it. He was... he had to run along inside.

And I thought of that when Duke was running for governor of Louisiana. The President of the United States and every single newspaper in the land went into conniptions. He got the greatest press of anybody in the country. It was as though this country was going to be destroyed.

[ Rushdoony ] They are fighting to prevent him and they are using illegal means to prevent him from getting on the ballot in a number of states.

[ Scott ] That is, of course, in the name of our freedom.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes. Now I have no use for David Duke, but I have no use for those who are restraining his freedom.

Well, one of the things that I think is very revealing is that in the last year a record number of newspapers died.

[ Scott ] And they died deservedly.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes. And the others are continuing to go downhill.

[ Scott ] They are having great problems in advertising.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] And in publications. Now you can ... I have... I haven’t done it, but you could go across the United States and pick up a newspaper in every town that you go through and you would find the same headlines, the same features, the same comic strips, the same editorials and the same attitude and the same argument from one end of this country to the other.

[ Rushdoony ] But meanwhile there is a startling increase in the number of newsletters.

[ Scott ] Oh, yes. Tell me about it.

[ Murray ] Well, I think the demise of the newspapers because the advertising, declining advertising revenues is a picture of the country as a whole. You know, you have got steel companies that no longer have advertisements. You have oil companies that no longer exist that don’t have advertisements. I mean, those were big, big clients of newspapers.

[ Scott ] Well, the newspapers, for some reason or another, have never seemed to regard those institutions as worth of even a kind word.

[ Murray ] Well, they well...

[ Scott ] They...

[ Murray ] I think about them fondly when they have to padlock their front doors.

[ Scott ] I wonder if they will, because I am not sure that they can even see connections anymore. And Rush is talking about causality. The people in the north west know that they have lost 33,000 jobs because a spotted own prefers first generation trees and won’t roost anywhere else. I don’t know how the owl determines this.

[ Rushdoony ] That is a... that is a lie.

[ Scott ] Of course it is a lie. It is an obvious lie.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] I mean it is... it is a ridiculous lie that he owl knows how long... how old a tree is and only goes to the old one. But they can see the connection there between environmentalism and employment. When the average person realizes that Environmentalism has helped to... the perfect environmental situation, I have finally decided, is the grave yard. There is no emotion disturbing the worms or the ... or the birds. Everything is growing as it should and the people are silent.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, political correctness is not meeting with favor from the people. The indifference in this campaign to the candidates is phenomenal. And this has been coming on for some time, but nobody is happy with any of the candidates. Pat Buchanan is the only one who has engendered some enthusiasm. But by and large people have concluded that there isn’t much difference between the two parties.

[ Scott ] Well, of course, the two parties have set up so many rules against third party movements that it is very difficult to break that arm lock. But what strikes me is the lack of seriousness on the part of our government. They have watched the silence grow among the people. They have watched the people stop voting. And yet they don't see these as signs of danger for the government.

[ Rushdoony ] No. I think it is because of the essential Hegelianism of our age. The rationale is the real. That is the fundamental principle of Hegelianism. What the intellectual conceives to be rational is the only reality. Therefore the rest of us are unreal and sooner or later we are going to go their way because reality requires it.

[ Scott ] Well, the problem with irrational thing and illogical thinking is that the world is neither rational nor logical. Human beings are emotional creatures.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] They are spirits more than they are bodies. And once emotion comes into the situation, rationality and logic no longer apply. They no longer prevail. And we are ... the very silence... I remember having lunch with Don Mc Inveny and I said, “We don’t have free speech.” And he said, “Well, look at the people in the restaurant. You can’t tell them they don’t have free speech.” I said, “I don’t have to tell them. They know it.”

He said, “How do you know they know it?”

I said, “By their silence, by the silence on various topics.”

[ Murray ] We have a situation here in northern California. We have got a school principle who is trying to extricate himself from a quagmire of political correctness because he cracked a joke about the San Francisco Oakland bay bridge connecting fairy land to jungle land. So the past week he is ... it has been like a tar baby. He can’t disconnect himself from it and it is dragging him down.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, fairy land and jungle land are superb terms for the two cities.

[ Murray ] Well, he is right in the middle of a bastion of political correctness.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Murray ] The bay area is just a hot bed of that kind of action.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, you have two major universities in the bay area, California, the University of California and Berkeley and Stanford, plus you have the University of San Francisco and a number of other institutions and their influence is very powerful in enforcing PC. They are very hostile to anything that dissents from the established line.

[ Scott ] Once you get young people to surrender their souls, so to speak, to the establishment, to the educational establishment what can one expect from them in the future?

[ Murray ] Well, they are very malleable. You know, this political correct thing is right down into the grade schools so that by the time the kids hit the front door of the universities, you know, they have got skulls full of much and the professors can do anything with them that they want to.

[ Scott ] Well, the lesson is that cowardice pays and that courage is defeated.

[ Murray ] Well, you have to give them an out. You know, this is why alternative schools are necessary.

[ Rushdoony ] And this is why there is such a major move now against the Christian school and the home school, because they are realizing that before the decade is over half or more of the children of the United States will be in such schools. So the voucher plan is their way of attempting to control it.

Bush, Quayle and Alexander, the secretary of education have all worked to promote the idea, but the Pennsylvania legislature defeated their efforts. The effort now is in California and in other states. We probably will see it on the ballot here next... later this year.

[ Scott ] I wonder why church groups, including denominations, have not given any though to the idea of putting out newspapers.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, they have put out magazines for a long, long time, but the hierarchy controls them. I just learned that The Boston Pilot, the Catholic periodical there which was one of the best circulated in the country fired within the past year its editor because he was too conservative and outspoken. And the circulation has dropped to 30,000, a fraction of what it was once.

[ Scott ] What was it? What was it?

[ Rushdoony ] Well, I know it was in excess of 100,000. Now this is what happen when churches put something out. What you get is the top down idea. How can we make this magazine or this paper ecclesiastically correct?

[ Scott ] Well, then that ... as soon as I said it I thought of that, too, that they wouldn’t really admit reality.

[ Rushdoony ] No.

[ Murray ] I...

[ Rushdoony ] It would be like an official United States saving it.

[ Scott ] Yes. Yes. Well, then the Christians themselves. We have... after all there is an enormous number of Christians in the United States and I am always surprised by the fact that by conservatives they never seen to get into the arena, the real arena, the every day arena and put out the publications that appeal to the average person. It isn’t necessary to educate them theologically in order to put out communicative information.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, Otto, the number of newsletters and magazines put out by the people on the Chalcedon mailing list ...

[ Scott ] Yes we are mailing... doing our best, yes.

[ Rushdoony ] ... legion apart from our staff member. Our readers are busy putting out things that deal with a specific issue or with a specific church scene so that they are marvelous trouble makers to the powers that be all over the country.

[ Murray ] I read an article recently that this is what hastened the demise of the Russian Empire was the clandestine assembly...

[ Scott ] It was homicide, yes.

[ Murray ] ...of... of computers.

[ Scott ] The {?} yes.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] The {?} preceded the computers. And things went around from hand to hand, real underground literature. We are pretty close to that. Even our... our newsletters, you know, are part of the PC crowd. Real underground literature hasn’t reached us yet. It is going to have to get a lot more candid than it is today.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, I think you will really see underground literature if you get a publication dealing with the IRS and the federal bureaucracy.

[ Scott ] And naming names.

[ Rushdoony ] And naming names, yes.

[ Scott ] And naming the judges.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] And connecting the judges with the decisions.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] And naming the agents and the agencies.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] With the regulations.

[ Rushdoony ] And calling attention to all of the homosexual judges on the federal benches that Jimmy Carter named to office. He named more judges than any other president for a long, long time, because the federal judgeships were...

[ Scott ] Expanded.

[ Rushdoony ] Expanded, yes. So that alone could be a remarkable subject for a newsletter, but it would take a lawyer who would promptly be disbarred, probably and a great deal of footwork, legwork to collect all the data.

[ Murray ] You can’t find out anymore. For instance, I have inquired recently how one goes about finding out how local judges rule on various types of cases, not specific cases, but to just accumulate percentages of how many times does he sentence... give the maximum sentence for a particular type of crime. That kind of information used to be published in the press so that people had some yardstick to measure a judge with. Now you can’t get that information anymore. I was just stonewalled in the press every time some federal judge issues an order. I mean, unless it is some guy who just on television like Kelly did down in Wichita, you never find out what the name of the guy is who issues that is order.

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[ Scott ] ...the judiciary. The judiciary is the shadow branch of our three branches. And, of course, in stitch in the darkness is the agencies.

[ Murray ] And then today they announced that the bar association will not release to the public the names of attorneys who are disciplined for infractions and for breaking the law.

[ Scott ] They are protecting... they are protecting the reputation of the lawyers which seems to me like a lost cause.

[ Murray ] Yeah.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, what is happening here and there across country is that women are forming groups and they are monitoring various groups, say, a council meeting or a supervisors meeting, a judge and so on. So this is a step in the right direction.

[ Scott ] Well, yes it is. Why ... how is this... do they call themselves by any special names?

[ Rushdoony ] No. These are small local groups.

[ Scott ] They are just organizing in various communities.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes. Yes.

[ Scott ] That is a wonderful sign.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Murray ] Well accountability is all but gone as far as the politicians and the judges are concerned. That is how they have become so arrogant.

[ Rushdoony ] That is what led to this in part. Some judges were so arrogant in cases involving rape and child molestation that a great many women felt that they had to do something about it. And they have expanded into many areas now so that a great many women are active in this sphere.

[ Scott ] Well, we have some thing else which you are going not have to take some attention... pay some attention to and that is the ratio and ethnic nature of our criminal class. I think it is long overdue to identify those that are committing these terrible crimes. Of course all races and ethnic groups commit crimes, but we would at least have a more rational and ... and realistic idea of who is committing the crimes if they described the criminals.

[ Murray ] Otto, they have solved the problem. I heard the other day that there is a company now that puts out trading cards, like baseball cards, of serial killers like Jeffrey Dahlmer and all the rest of the P{{?}

[ Scott ] {?} And selling them for children.

[ Murray ] Yes. Exactly.

[ Scott ] And we don’t... we don’t know the name of the company and nobody is going to interview the officers of the company so that we have some idea of who these bastards are. We have a press that does not report.

[ Rushdoony ] Dahlmer is not cited as a homosexual. After the first article or two describing what... his own statements that has dropped out of the news.

[ Scott ] Well, we have had a series of homosexual serial murders and yet when the subject comes up we are told that it is simply a ... an alternate lifestyle.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] Nobody talks about the dark side of homosexuality which consists of hatred and violence. Because it is, you know, a form of insanity.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, they bullied the psychiatric association into taking it off of the list of mental aberrations.

[ Scott ] Yes, that was some time ago.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] There is no coverage of ... excepting in special places, no coverage of the American Historical Society meeting, no coverage of many other scholastic gatherings in which weird, weird subjects and topics are discussed.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, Herbert Filbrick recently called attention to the fact that a conference of Marxist professors in our universities was held with over 1000 present.

[ Scott ] No coverage in the press.

[ Rushdoony ] No coverage in the press.

[ Scott ] Well, now that is because the press is politically correct.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] Political correctness, in other words, is an official orthodoxy that hides.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] Everything that they don't want to discuss.

[ Murray ] I wonder how many people are aware of this conflict that they have going in the San Francisco with the... this group that is trying to legitimize sex between men and boys that meets in the public library down here. I wonder how many people outside of the bay area in this country are aware that that is going on.

[ Scott ] Well, what we are... well, what we are told about is the fact that some parties want homosexuals to be scout masters.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes. Well, a the man boy love association is now a national group.

[ Scott ] A parade.

[ Rushdoony ] And... they are increasingly becoming aggressive in formulating their position and taking a hostile attitude towards anyone who criticizes them.

[ Scott ] Well they feel safe to do so.

[ Murray ] Well, the... the politically correct umbrella, all of these groups now are standing underneath the politically correct umbrella.

[ Scott ] Yes, they are. And this is why I drew a line before between the Weimar Republic and our situation. This was true in Germany...

[ Rushdoony ] Yes, very good.

[ Scott ] ... during the... during the 20s.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] It was... it was the same.

[ Rushdoony ] The same permissiveness, the same expression of these ideas in the media and films. It permeated everything.

[ Scott ] Yes, it did. It drove the Germans crazy.

[ Murray ] Do you think the same thing will happen here?

[ Scott ] Well, if you ... if you gag people, if you gag people and you tell them that things that turn their stomach are perfectly all right and that they don’t have the right to protest or even criticize, what would you expect to happen? You know, hate... you know, the... it is like the Scotchman who decided to feed his horse sawdust and gave him green glasses. It worked fine for a couple of weeks.

The press is putting green glasses on us and giving us sawdust.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, one item, Otto, that will confirm your thesis is this. There is a growing revulsion in Italy for what they have, for the masses of Arab and Turkish and {?} who are turning the country into a nightmare of lawlessness. And a candidate now for their national assembly is Benito Mussolini’s granddaughter running on the Fascist ticket.

[ Scott ] Is that so?

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] Pretty interesting. That is interesting.

[ Rushdoony ] Ands he says the people... she is an attractive young woman. She says the people have had it and she feels they are appreciative of the order her grandfather provided.

[ Scott ] My goodness.

[ Rushdoony ] Now that is an ominous sign.

[ Scott ] That is an ominous sign. Well, I saw another ominous sign on the CNN tonight. The Mexicans are grouping together on the Mexican side of the border in groups of hundreds and they are running as hundreds across the border and they are running onto the freeway and the customs officers are afraid to go into the freeway in the middle of the traffic to get them, so they are simply flooding into the United States and this is filmed. And Mr. Bush... what is Mr. Bush campaigning about? I have forgotten. Oh, the economy... oh, national health program.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] They can’t take care of the elderly now and they are talking about taking care of everybody.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes. And it is going to bankrupt the country faster than Larry Burkett and Howard Philips...

[ Scott ] Well, it will come with...

[ Rushdoony ] ...believe...

[ Scott ] It will come with... with hell’s price controls.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] And it will have the same effect on the medical industry as price controls had on petroleum industry during the shortage. The Wall Street Journal has an editorial on it. I forget what they call it, not never, never land, but something similar. But the... the idea that people are now running across our border in mobs is incredible.

[ Rushdoony ] It is happening all over Europe. They are pouring in from North Africa, from Turkey, from the Soviet Union and {?} believes that in time millions would be on the Atlantic shores deluging Europe. It seems likely to come to pass.

[ Scott ] Do you remember the book {?}

[ Rushdoony ] Vaguely.

[ Scott ] Well, it was ... the author simply said that their armadas from India and other parts of the orient whole boatloads and whole flotillas landed on the shores of France and they just ran ashore. And they... I don’t know whether it was apocryphal or not, but I was told that somebody when Dung, the dictator of China was... came over here and got the red carpet from... who was it? Carter? What administration? I think it was Carter’s administration. Remember he was wined and dined from one end of the country to the other. It even showed him in Texas at a rodeo with a big hat, that something was said about Chinese coming to this country and whoever said it on the American side said we could... we could accept more.

He said, “Fine. I will send 20 million.”

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] Now it is politically correct to hold this conversation. It is a good thing we are not on faculty anywhere. We would be doomed.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes, we would. We are damned sufficiently already.

[ Scott ] Oh, you can be proud of our enemies.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes. Well, we don’t have much time left, but I think we ought to recognize the fact that all this is known to God and is in his sovereign plan and that God’s purpose is to shake the things that are so that only those things that are unshakeable may remain. And I believe that when this is over, we will be stronger than ever and the Bushes and the Carters and the Cuomos and all those people are going to be swept aside. I do not see them enduring because what they manifest is a will to death. All they that hate me, says God, love death. And the will of death is ... to death is very prevalent in our civilization.

I, as you know, wrote a book on Freud some years ago. And Freud was very perceptive as well as very foolish. He saw two main urges in man. One, a will to life, the other a will to death. And knowing only fallen man, not Christian man, he felt that the will to death was overpowering and equal and it would triumph. So in his correspondence with Einstein he made it clear that he had no hope in the Soviet Union or anything else. They could only see the more man developed his powers, the more the will to death would predominate. And I think we are going to see this will to death on the part of humanistic men, politically correct men. They are suicidal. They are killing the world as they have known it and in its place, I believe, will come a better worker.

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[ Scott ] Well, of course, Freud never allowed himself to be analyzed.

[ Rushdoony ] No.

[ Scott ] And the father of psychoanalysis refused to undergo psychoanalysis, so he did not analyze himself. He did not analyze his own ideas. And a society, he was right about this, and it was self analysis is essential. And I think he took from the Church the whole idea of the confessional and distorted it into the psychiatric session.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] But a nation that doesn't analyze itself is engaged in an effort for death, just like the man who doesn’t analyze himself can never overcome his own errors and weaknesses.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] And this is where the political correctness, I think, is the most dangerous because it is stopping free speech and it is stopping the analysis of our problems.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] The open and public debate which every country has to have in order to maintain a healthy situation.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes.

[ Scott ] And, of course, it is also stopping all religious talk.

[ Rushdoony ] Yes, but religious books are being published in greater numbers and selling more than ever before so there is an underground movement that is coming to the fore.

We have a very short time left. Douglas, would you like to make a final comment?

[ Murray ] Well, the political correct thing, I think, is a temporary aberration and I think it will fall a bit from the weight out of the frustration that people who want to think for themselves. I think Christian children who attend Christian ... Christian schools who are given the ability to think for themselves will break the... break the lock and that is the best hope for the future.

[ Rushdoony ] Well, thank you all for listening and God bless you.

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